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		<title>By: Foundations at APS, take 2 &#124; Matt Leifer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Foundations at APS, take 2 &#124; Matt Leifer</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] talked about his recent work on the emergence of classicality via coarse graining. I&#8217;ve mentioned it before on this blog, and it&#8217;s definitely a topic I&#8217;m becoming much more interested [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] talked about his recent work on the emergence of classicality via coarse graining. I&#8217;ve mentioned it before on this blog, and it&#8217;s definitely a topic I&#8217;m becoming much more interested [...]</p>
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		<title>By: random3f</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 17:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m an iitalian student. 
Thank you for this post. Since I started studing  Quantum Mechanics (2 years ago) I had thought that under the Probabilistic interpretation of this one, should be hidden something. Exactly the &quot;ontology problem&quot; has always been what make QM for me unsatisfactory. I&#039;m grateful to you because finally I am not the only one to think that,(infact in my university it seemed so) and now I know the name of the physics that study that(so i can seek for reviews). I apologize for my English. 
Thanks,

Dimitri
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m an iitalian student.<br />
Thank you for this post. Since I started studing  Quantum Mechanics (2 years ago) I had thought that under the Probabilistic interpretation of this one, should be hidden something. Exactly the &#8220;ontology problem&#8221; has always been what make QM for me unsatisfactory. I&#8217;m grateful to you because finally I am not the only one to think that,(infact in my university it seemed so) and now I know the name of the physics that study that(so i can seek for reviews). I apologize for my English.<br />
Thanks,</p>
<p>Dimitri<br />
random3f</p>
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		<title>By: Foundations at APS, take 2 &#171; Quantum Quandaries</title>
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		<dc:creator>Foundations at APS, take 2 &#171; Quantum Quandaries</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 18:24:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] talked about his recent work on the emergence of classicality via coarse graining. I&#8217;ve mentioned it before on this blog, and it&#8217;s definitely a topic I&#8217;m becoming much more interested [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] talked about his recent work on the emergence of classicality via coarse graining. I&#8217;ve mentioned it before on this blog, and it&#8217;s definitely a topic I&#8217;m becoming much more interested [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 23:30:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Biologists Fixing Radios, Funny Journal Titles/Paper Graphics, and&#160;More!&lt;/strong&gt;

Commenting on the observation that he &#8220;doesn&#8217;t blog all that often&#8221;, Matt Leifer had the following to say:
Most bloggers think of their blog like a newspaper column&#8230; what I find interesting is that you don&#8217;t have to think ...</description>
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<p>Commenting on the observation that he &#8220;doesn&#8217;t blog all that often&#8221;, Matt Leifer had the following to say:<br />
Most bloggers think of their blog like a newspaper column&#8230; what I find interesting is that you don&#8217;t have to think &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Leifer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Leifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 22:17:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The short answer is yes, although I&#039;m no expert on this particular topic at the moment.  I think one can view the remnants of interference effects on timescales shorter than the decoherence time as an effect somewhat analogous to fluctuations from the 2nd law.  Having said that, I don&#039;t think the analogies between emergence of classicality and emergence of the second law have received sufficient attention from theorists, so there are probably more precise statements that can be made.  It&#039;s something I&#039;m interested in pursuing in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The short answer is yes, although I&#8217;m no expert on this particular topic at the moment.  I think one can view the remnants of interference effects on timescales shorter than the decoherence time as an effect somewhat analogous to fluctuations from the 2nd law.  Having said that, I don&#8217;t think the analogies between emergence of classicality and emergence of the second law have received sufficient attention from theorists, so there are probably more precise statements that can be made.  It&#8217;s something I&#8217;m interested in pursuing in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: vi</title>
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		<dc:creator>vi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 21:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The emergence of the second law can be (partially) tested and understood through the fluctuation theorems regarding probabilities of second law violations. This is a naive question, but is there a set of such statements regarding the role of decoherence in quantum systems as they are made larger? And have people studied the transition from quantum to classical as the system size/structure is varied?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The emergence of the second law can be (partially) tested and understood through the fluctuation theorems regarding probabilities of second law violations. This is a naive question, but is there a set of such statements regarding the role of decoherence in quantum systems as they are made larger? And have people studied the transition from quantum to classical as the system size/structure is varied?</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Leifer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Leifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 19:51:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moshe said, &quot;are there more or less realistic models demonstrating in detail how the environment chooses a basis via decoherence? apologies if this is in the review you refer to.&quot;

Yes there are.  That&#039;s part of the technical programme and is probably the most substantial contribution of decoherence theory to foundational studies.  The review article focusses mainly on conceptual/interpretational issues, but it does discuss one model by Zurek as an example, which fits  into the &quot;less realistic&quot; category.  However, you can find references to the extensive technical literature in the review.

One of the most impressive achievements is that decoherence can select different types of &quot;basis&quot;  depending on the relative strengths of the system-environment and internal system Hamiltonians (I use quotation marks because the states selected can be overcomplete).  If the internal Hamiltonian is much stronger then the energy basis tends to be selected and if it is much weaker then something approximating the position basis is often found.  In intermediate regimes, things like coherent states can be selected.  This corresponds well to what we see in the lab, and has significant explanatory power.  The fact that other approaches to emergence cannot reproduce this yet is a significant point in favor of the decoherence explanation.

&quot;Re: ontology, I would feel more comfortable if I knew any operational way of deciding whether any specific ontology is “correct”, or even a reason to expect that a fully satisfactory solution exists…&quot;

I more or less agree with you.  A good choice of ontology should eventually lead to an experimental prediction that it would have been incoceivable to make without it.  This might not happen in current QM itself, but perhaps in future theories like quantum gravity.  However, in this post, I left the question of what constitutes a &quot;good&quot; ontology open, because different people have different requirements.  For example, one could weaken your operational requirement and just say that the ontology should have explanatory power, i.e. be a good way of thinking about the theory that aids intuition.  I also don&#039;t have a big problem with having more than one ontology available, so long as you can account for the terms of one ontology consistently in terms of the other.  Arguably, we have this stiuation in classical mechanics because the different formulations, e.g. Newton&#039;s laws, Hamiltonian mechanics, Largrangian mechanics, etc. suggest taking different quantities as the fundamental entities of the theory.  On the other hand, we shouldn&#039;t end up with competing ontologies that give radically different pictures of what is going on in reality and appear to be genuinely irreconcilable.  Arguably, this is the case with current interpretations of QM.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moshe said, &#8220;are there more or less realistic models demonstrating in detail how the environment chooses a basis via decoherence? apologies if this is in the review you refer to.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes there are.  That&#8217;s part of the technical programme and is probably the most substantial contribution of decoherence theory to foundational studies.  The review article focusses mainly on conceptual/interpretational issues, but it does discuss one model by Zurek as an example, which fits  into the &#8220;less realistic&#8221; category.  However, you can find references to the extensive technical literature in the review.</p>
<p>One of the most impressive achievements is that decoherence can select different types of &#8220;basis&#8221;  depending on the relative strengths of the system-environment and internal system Hamiltonians (I use quotation marks because the states selected can be overcomplete).  If the internal Hamiltonian is much stronger then the energy basis tends to be selected and if it is much weaker then something approximating the position basis is often found.  In intermediate regimes, things like coherent states can be selected.  This corresponds well to what we see in the lab, and has significant explanatory power.  The fact that other approaches to emergence cannot reproduce this yet is a significant point in favor of the decoherence explanation.</p>
<p>&#8220;Re: ontology, I would feel more comfortable if I knew any operational way of deciding whether any specific ontology is “correct”, or even a reason to expect that a fully satisfactory solution exists…&#8221;</p>
<p>I more or less agree with you.  A good choice of ontology should eventually lead to an experimental prediction that it would have been incoceivable to make without it.  This might not happen in current QM itself, but perhaps in future theories like quantum gravity.  However, in this post, I left the question of what constitutes a &#8220;good&#8221; ontology open, because different people have different requirements.  For example, one could weaken your operational requirement and just say that the ontology should have explanatory power, i.e. be a good way of thinking about the theory that aids intuition.  I also don&#8217;t have a big problem with having more than one ontology available, so long as you can account for the terms of one ontology consistently in terms of the other.  Arguably, we have this stiuation in classical mechanics because the different formulations, e.g. Newton&#8217;s laws, Hamiltonian mechanics, Largrangian mechanics, etc. suggest taking different quantities as the fundamental entities of the theory.  On the other hand, we shouldn&#8217;t end up with competing ontologies that give radically different pictures of what is going on in reality and appear to be genuinely irreconcilable.  Arguably, this is the case with current interpretations of QM.</p>
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		<title>By: Moshe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moshe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Naive questions, exposing my ignorance...are there more or less realistic models demonstrating in detail how the environment chooses a basis via decoherence? apologies if this is in the review you refer to.

Re: ontology, I would feel more comfortable if I knew any operational way of deciding whether any specific ontology is &quot;correct&quot;, or even a reason to expect that a fully satisfactory solution exists...

thanks,

Moshe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Naive questions, exposing my ignorance&#8230;are there more or less realistic models demonstrating in detail how the environment chooses a basis via decoherence? apologies if this is in the review you refer to.</p>
<p>Re: ontology, I would feel more comfortable if I knew any operational way of deciding whether any specific ontology is &#8220;correct&#8221;, or even a reason to expect that a fully satisfactory solution exists&#8230;</p>
<p>thanks,</p>
<p>Moshe</p>
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