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	<title>Comments on: Get paid to do Foundations II</title>
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	<description>Foundations of Quantum Theory</description>
	<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 14:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: quantummoxie</title>
		<link>http://mattleifer.wordpress.com/2007/11/23/get-paid-to-do-foundations-ii/#comment-8550</link>
		<dc:creator>quantummoxie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 21:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here's a horrifically delayed response: I have sun, sea, and sand here in Maine year-round.  Now, warm temperatures are a different story, but my philosophy is that one can always add layers of clothing to deal with the cold, whereas peeling off your skin on a particularly oppressively hot day becomes a bit impractical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a horrifically delayed response: I have sun, sea, and sand here in Maine year-round.  Now, warm temperatures are a different story, but my philosophy is that one can always add layers of clothing to deal with the cold, whereas peeling off your skin on a particularly oppressively hot day becomes a bit impractical.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Leifer</title>
		<link>http://mattleifer.wordpress.com/2007/11/23/get-paid-to-do-foundations-ii/#comment-8091</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Leifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Surprisingly, there are some people in the world who prefer sun, sea and sand to cold, snow and skiing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surprisingly, there are some people in the world who prefer sun, sea and sand to cold, snow and skiing.</p>
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		<title>By: quantummoxie</title>
		<link>http://mattleifer.wordpress.com/2007/11/23/get-paid-to-do-foundations-ii/#comment-8090</link>
		<dc:creator>quantummoxie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To switch back to the original post (before I get too enraged at the state of the world), why would anyone want to avoid winter?  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To switch back to the original post (before I get too enraged at the state of the world), why would anyone want to avoid winter?  <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Harvey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harvey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matthew,

Many thanks for taking the time out in giving me an informative reply, you have certainly cleared up a lot for me. I am new to QM and by no means do I understand it but very slowly I am getting the basic concepts!

Again thank you for replying.

Regards

Harvey</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matthew,</p>
<p>Many thanks for taking the time out in giving me an informative reply, you have certainly cleared up a lot for me. I am new to QM and by no means do I understand it but very slowly I am getting the basic concepts!</p>
<p>Again thank you for replying.</p>
<p>Regards</p>
<p>Harvey</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Leifer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Leifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harvey,

It's important to separate the well-confirmed empirical basis and predictions of quantum theory from the discussion of what it all means.  In the vast majority of cases of practical interest, quantum theory makes clear predictions, albeit probabilistic ones, and it is no different from any other scientific theory in the way it is confirmed and tested.

On the other hand, the standard formulation of quantum theory does contain a number of ambiguous concepts, such as the idea that a measurement has to be treated as  fundamentally different from other kinds of physical interaction.  It also predicts a number of counter-intuitive phenomena, such as the violation of Bell inequalities.  When discussing these issues, many scientists are inclined to be a little bit imprecise and often use misleading analogies that are likely to give the wrong impression of the theory to the general public.  In some ways this is understandable, because the people giving the explanations are usually not experts on the foundations of quantum theory.  

Suffice to say, there are well-defined interpretations of quantum mechanics that do not give up on determinism or causality, such as Bohmian mechanics for example.  Whilst it's true that such interpretations are a minority interest at the moment, and are likely to remain so for the foreseeable future,  they do demonstrate that quantum theory does not actually necessitate giving up any of these fundamental notions.  A more conservative take on the foundations of quantum theory would admit that there are several possible pictures of reality that are compatible with the theory, and that we don't really know which one of them is correct.  However, any acceptable picture must not conflict the basic assumptions of scientific methodology.  To do so would undermine the only reason we have for believing in the theory in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harvey,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s important to separate the well-confirmed empirical basis and predictions of quantum theory from the discussion of what it all means.  In the vast majority of cases of practical interest, quantum theory makes clear predictions, albeit probabilistic ones, and it is no different from any other scientific theory in the way it is confirmed and tested.</p>
<p>On the other hand, the standard formulation of quantum theory does contain a number of ambiguous concepts, such as the idea that a measurement has to be treated as  fundamentally different from other kinds of physical interaction.  It also predicts a number of counter-intuitive phenomena, such as the violation of Bell inequalities.  When discussing these issues, many scientists are inclined to be a little bit imprecise and often use misleading analogies that are likely to give the wrong impression of the theory to the general public.  In some ways this is understandable, because the people giving the explanations are usually not experts on the foundations of quantum theory.  </p>
<p>Suffice to say, there are well-defined interpretations of quantum mechanics that do not give up on determinism or causality, such as Bohmian mechanics for example.  Whilst it&#8217;s true that such interpretations are a minority interest at the moment, and are likely to remain so for the foreseeable future,  they do demonstrate that quantum theory does not actually necessitate giving up any of these fundamental notions.  A more conservative take on the foundations of quantum theory would admit that there are several possible pictures of reality that are compatible with the theory, and that we don&#8217;t really know which one of them is correct.  However, any acceptable picture must not conflict the basic assumptions of scientific methodology.  To do so would undermine the only reason we have for believing in the theory in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: Harvey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harvey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

This is completely off topic but I was wondering if you could help me?

I am in an online debate with a Biblical creationist and since he has brought in Quantum Mechanics I thought that I would ask your advice.

He states "Current scientifc assumptions (including those underpinning the evolutionist viewpoint) are increasingly being undermined by quantum science."

and 

"Some insist that genuine understanding demands explanations of the causes of the laws, but it is in the realm of causation that there is the greatest disagreement. Modern quantum mechanics, for example, has given up the quest for causation and today rests only on mathematical description."(this was taken from the Encyclopaedia Britannic)

That would sort of make the Lemon test in the Dover trial rather redundant, wouldnt it?"

and on

"I then raised the question as to what impact QM could have if causation is no longer an issue for science - it could indirectly open the door to ID as a viable theory as it was the causation that kept it out of the classroom, ref Dover. "

and

"Now that QM has set the precedent, why can ID not use the same arguments to get into the science class?"

and

"why must ID have causation but according to Encyclopaedia Brit, Quantum Mechanics has "abandoned the search for causation???"

I am a layman in terms of science and I am up on most creationist
fallacies and feel confident enough to discuss biology, paleontology
etc but quantum mechanics is bit beyond me from the little I can get
the length scales in quantum theory and evolution are so far apart
that it makes as much sense as measuring the distance between the
earth and the sun with a 10 inch ruler..but trying to explain that is
another matter.

Any help/advice/hints in answering him would be greatly appreciated.


Regards

Harvey</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>This is completely off topic but I was wondering if you could help me?</p>
<p>I am in an online debate with a Biblical creationist and since he has brought in Quantum Mechanics I thought that I would ask your advice.</p>
<p>He states &#8220;Current scientifc assumptions (including those underpinning the evolutionist viewpoint) are increasingly being undermined by quantum science.&#8221;</p>
<p>and </p>
<p>&#8220;Some insist that genuine understanding demands explanations of the causes of the laws, but it is in the realm of causation that there is the greatest disagreement. Modern quantum mechanics, for example, has given up the quest for causation and today rests only on mathematical description.&#8221;(this was taken from the Encyclopaedia Britannic)</p>
<p>That would sort of make the Lemon test in the Dover trial rather redundant, wouldnt it?&#8221;</p>
<p>and on</p>
<p>&#8220;I then raised the question as to what impact QM could have if causation is no longer an issue for science - it could indirectly open the door to ID as a viable theory as it was the causation that kept it out of the classroom, ref Dover. &#8221;</p>
<p>and</p>
<p>&#8220;Now that QM has set the precedent, why can ID not use the same arguments to get into the science class?&#8221;</p>
<p>and</p>
<p>&#8220;why must ID have causation but according to Encyclopaedia Brit, Quantum Mechanics has &#8220;abandoned the search for causation???&#8221;</p>
<p>I am a layman in terms of science and I am up on most creationist<br />
fallacies and feel confident enough to discuss biology, paleontology<br />
etc but quantum mechanics is bit beyond me from the little I can get<br />
the length scales in quantum theory and evolution are so far apart<br />
that it makes as much sense as measuring the distance between the<br />
earth and the sun with a 10 inch ruler..but trying to explain that is<br />
another matter.</p>
<p>Any help/advice/hints in answering him would be greatly appreciated.</p>
<p>Regards</p>
<p>Harvey</p>
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